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Posted by: civicfan14 Mar 12 2011, 08:03 AM

I always thought that Aussie stuff was way superior to our crap, but this article puts a different perspective in mind...

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2008/02/on-the-beach-is-ford-and-gms-future-in-australia/

So apparently all those full-size cars Down Under aren't really the perfect dream cars that American enthusiasts want in the USA.

But lemme ask you Australians; is most of this article actually true? Because if its true, then great, now the late model Pontiac GTOs and G8s don't look so good anymore...

Posted by: DLuZive Mar 12 2011, 12:30 PM

I always thought opposite. Commodores haven't really been good, they've just been cheap and good cars for their price. Most of the cars I see are Toyotas though. Back in 60-80s the cars were pretty cool, but their engines weren't as great, sometimes. My astra has had heaps of services, but my Dad's commodore is pretty good, but it's ex-police or something we've figured out from recites and other things.

I dont get this topics point though :/ VE commos and the VZ monaro are fine

Posted by: civicfan14 Mar 12 2011, 01:08 PM

kinda a way to get your opinions on this...many car guys here drool over any giant RWD Aussie sedan...

Posted by: DMC-12 Mar 12 2011, 02:49 PM

Most holden sedans from the late 70s right up till the mid 2000s were facelifted opels and the Fords were basically euro fords made a bit bigger.

Posted by: Madset. Mar 13 2011, 12:25 AM

aussies made them, euros pussied them, americans made them ugly

Posted by: DMC-12 Mar 13 2011, 02:04 AM

You got me wrong.. "Facelifted opels" they were opels first dude.. most of holden is either jap or german

Posted by: DLuZive Mar 14 2011, 06:34 AM

Yeah, VZ is a Opel ?!!?!? if they are i will go cry. They are my favourite commodore.
But yeah, they were Omegas or some crap, Barinas were swifts and corsas..
Fords were British fords made bigger? show me

Posted by: civicfan14 Mar 14 2011, 06:57 AM

Just searched the net and it seems like many of the US-spec Monaros are now having reliablity problems.

Oh well. Time to wait for Ford UK and Opel now...

Posted by: DLuZive Mar 14 2011, 07:27 AM

What did Ford UK and Opel do?

Posted by: civicfan14 Mar 14 2011, 08:53 AM

Oops, I meant waiting for the Euro stuff to come to the US now, since Aussie stuff seems to be crap...

Posted by: ChevyRacer454 Mar 18 2011, 04:26 PM

TTAC

what Opel is the Commodore, Sportwagon, Statesman and UTE based on? oh that's right those are designed in Australia

and recently Holden is mostly rebadged Daewoos/Chevies with only the Colorado being partialy Japanese, and the ancient Combo being German

Posted by: DMC-12 Mar 18 2011, 04:33 PM

The VS was the last german designed one I think, based on the Opel senator from 1987

And the ford falcon - XH was basically a ford granada Mk2 that was widened and lengthened.

Posted by: Josн Mar 18 2011, 11:23 PM

but read this article, lol. many of your retarded philosophies about how bad aussie cars are are basically disproved

http://thekickback.com/rickroll/rickroll.php

Posted by: civicfan14 Mar 19 2011, 04:14 AM

What's so bad about it?

Posted by: DreadAngel Mar 19 2011, 04:37 AM

Aussie cars have only come around a little bit better from the Ford BA/BF Onwards and the Holden VE... Ie. They are possibly able to match up with 10-15 year old Japanese/European cars lol

The rest of the crap is just that crap. They're cheap hulks of metal big enough to fit 4-5 aussie 'blokes' ie big fellas but don't expect much engineering, refinement, etc...

Even their luxury models are cheap as... And don't ask your electronics to survive past 5years without issue. The German/British engineered cars seem to fair better but they too only have recently stepped up a notch. The older models like the TS Astra had some big issues here and there that made ownership erm... Almost as good as owning an old Alfa...

Posted by: DMC-12 Mar 19 2011, 11:43 AM

I hear loads of stories about the Astra G/TS, all this that it's really unreliable and things like that, but my uncle has one now, and it has never broken down. My granddad has had one and it too was fine. They are also still quite common. These will all be built in the british factory at ellesmere port, I wonder if the german and aus plants were doing something wrong

Posted by: DLuZive Mar 19 2011, 03:34 PM

Oh phew, I thought you meant the nice looking Fords and Holdens.


Would've been nice to know that before my mum got ripped off.. lol

Posted by: ChevyRacer454 Mar 19 2011, 07:38 PM

the car comunity equivilent of Communism... The sites glorious leader won't hesitate to ban anyone who speaks in opposition to what they believe. plus they're articles are full of bias often unfairly ragging on american vehicles while pushing japanese cars up on a golden pedistal...

not a very reliable source of automotive info...

Posted by: Madset. Mar 21 2011, 05:39 AM

any commdore would be able to kick opel omegas ass

Posted by: pinkie Mar 21 2011, 05:52 AM

australia. fuk yeh!