Welcome to Pixel Car Art

[W. Lundberg]

Hey all happy PCA people!

I bought this 320i last Thursday (19th Dec). Checked it out, went down in price and drove it home after about one hour.
The car has a very good interior but I don't like the super old Pioneer stereo, maybe gonna change if I find a cheap one.
On the exterior there quite a lot surface rust, also on some strange spots like on the middle of the trunk. Otherwise it's quite nice in the paint (Montrealblau), just needs a bit of polish (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile2.gif)

Plans at the moment:
Rims - Check
Cheap Coils -
Stereo -
Rust fixing -
Polish -
Front indicators, side indicators and taillights -
Leather seats if there's some cheap ones -
Muffler with two endings -

19th Dec - Some crappy photos just after we got home.
(IMG:http://i.imgur.com/H5i0zto.png)
(IMG:http://i.imgur.com/GpeoiQZ.png)

24th Dec - Bought some nice Alpina wheels as a Christmas gift for myself (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile2.gif)
(IMG:http://i.imgur.com/HZ3xOvZ.jpg)
(IMG:http://i.imgur.com/0WOgvVr.jpg)
(IMG:http://i.imgur.com/rt0V1Xr.png)

Need proper lowering so he look good! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile2.gif)

I'm not going to update that often unfortunately because I'm only a student (poor) and I'm out of the country 27th Dec to 5th Jan.

/Wille

This post has been edited by W. Lundberg: Dec 26 2013, 09:33 AM

[Brandon]

I hate these, good luck!

Lol nah they're cool, a little finnicky though (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile2.gif)

[W. Lundberg]

Haha (IMG:style_emoticons/default/toothygrin.gif)
Thx but what's finnicky? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/toothygrin.gif)

[JoviBlue]

Sick man, not a huge fan on some bimmers but this is sweet, needs some low and more track width (IMG:style_emoticons/default/toung.gif) but sick man

[W. Lundberg]

Thx mate (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile2.gif)
With track width you mean less offset/ET? More poke? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/toothygrin.gif)
Naah what it really needs is a shower (IMG:style_emoticons/default/toothygrin.gif)

[Sir KV]

needs some low

this

sweet ride mah n***a, looking forward to seeing more done to it! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/toothygrin.gif)
(if you are going to do s**t to it ofc)
nvm that, I see what you are planning on. on the exhaust, dont get a fart cannon, try and get a factory exhaust and some chrome aftermarket tips (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile2.gif)

This post has been edited by Sir KV: Dec 25 2013, 11:05 PM

[W. Lundberg]

More low is coming (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
You can see the list of stuff I'm going to do (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Noodles]

Front fitment is nearly spot on already lol

rear fitment not so much, needs spacers or somthing

[W. Lundberg]

We'll see how it gets when it's lowered (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Then I'll fix the last bits with spacers (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[JoviBlue]

raw raspy straight pipe

[nhra1625]

if you want to go lower for little to no cost I would cut a coil out of the springs. Wouldnt go any more than that though. It should drop you about an inch. Did this to my cobalt until I get coilovers. Granted I cut 3 out haha

[Brandon]

It depends on if it was taken care of I guess. My friend's has random weird little issues a lot usually with oil, electrical, and lots of suspension problems. Replace all the bushings in the suspension if you ever have the chance (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Only use OEM or OEM replicas though unless you're planning on upgrading.

[Noodles]

dont cut your springs thats stupid

[nhra1625]

your'E stupid

[W. Lundberg]

Yeah cutting springs is stupid, I'm going for some cheap coilovers I found (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile2.gif)
Thanks for the comments (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile2.gif)

[Myca]

Nice car, pretty good condition. Alpina front lip would look good on it. Dunno, does it fit or not. Rust fixing must be first at to-do list.

About coilovers. Cheapest i've seen is TA-Technik. Box says "Made in Germany" but it's really made in China, so i read few bad reviews and few positive feedbacks. Look for XYZ, it's made in Taiwan, imo it's best money/quality offer. Or made coilevers youself, its not difficult.

This post has been edited by Myca: Dec 26 2013, 09:04 AM

[W. Lundberg]

Problem is that I want the real s**t and not fake, so about the Alpina lip... Naah (IMG:style_emoticons/default/toothygrin.gif) Too expensive and I'm probably going to snowdrift etc. But yeah it would look good (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I found some very cheap coilovers which should be better quality than TA etc. for £185 / $303 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[W. Lundberg]

Update!

Cleaned the exterior of the car for the first time today and changed the windscreen wipers (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile2.gif)
Also cleaned a little in the engine bay, not much to say (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile2.gif)

(IMG:http://i.imgur.com/H4AjZKE.jpg)

(IMG:http://i.imgur.com/toy5NEl.png)

(IMG:http://i.imgur.com/hotNRgE.png)
Tower -.-

(IMG:http://i.imgur.com/3hADUOH.png)
Even bigger tower -.-

(IMG:http://i.imgur.com/AW5Bnwo.jpg)

That's all for today, cheers (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile2.gif)

[Myca]

How you cleaned engine bay? Mine is dirty as hell

[W. Lundberg]

I just sprayed the hell on it with Turtle Wax engine bay cleaning, waited 2 minutes and then washed everything off with water (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
Worked really good (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile2.gif)

[Myca]

Need to do the same. Washed bay 1 time for all 5 year lol

[Daniel.]

2.2 i6?

[W. Lundberg]

Need to do the same. Washed bay 1 time for all 5 year lol

Haha wow (IMG:style_emoticons/default/toothygrin.gif) It was very quick and simple so I'm thinking of doing it 2-3 times a month (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile2.gif)

2.2 i6?

2.0l i6 150bhp (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

This post has been edited by W. Lundberg: Dec 26 2013, 04:03 PM

[Myca]

Haha wow (IMG:style_emoticons/default/toothygrin.gif) It was very quick and simple so I'm thinking of doing it 2-3 times a month (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile2.gif)

In Sweden? What about water freezing? And what you will do with lowered car at snow? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/toothygrin.gif)

[W. Lundberg]

Do you see any snow in the pictures? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/toothygrin.gif)

[W. Lundberg]

Really fast PS on how i want him to sit
(IMG:http://i.imgur.com/3EmgW36.jpg)

[EE8Kev]

MOAAAARRRRR LLLLOOOWWWW

[Sir KV]

(IMG:http://ladyonwheels.com/wp-content/uploads/16-02-2013/BMW-E36-Aldio-LoW-8.jpg)
this. or atleast the spoiler

[W. Lundberg]

MOAAAARRRRR LLLLOOOWWWW

Naah, I want to use it as well (IMG:style_emoticons/default/toothygrin.gif)

(IMG:http://ladyonwheels.com/wp-content/uploads/16-02-2013/BMW-E36-Aldio-LoW-8.jpg)
this. or atleast the spoiler

Maybe a lip as a spoiler, nothing big tho (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Noodles]

Bmw engines look so sexy holy s**t

id say what you psed is a pretty good height

[W. Lundberg]

They sure do (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile2.gif)
Thanks (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile2.gif) I'll maybe order some coilovers tomorrow (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[N_777]

Awesome car!
If I was you, I wouldn't lower it too much, I think it's perfect how you PS'd it. You could maybe put on the OEM M-Package, then it will be perfect!

But again, very nice car!

This post has been edited by Timati: Dec 26 2013, 10:49 PM

[W. Lundberg]

Thanks (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile2.gif)
I want to lower the front, rear is quite good. I'm thinking of the M-Package but the real one is too expensive for me :/

[nhra1625]

yes it is a coupe. but you shall sdo this and be happy. The only thing i shall let you skip is the ls swap. got it? good.

(IMG:http://bigcountrylabs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/1186264_534416003274364_1790942769_n.jpg)

[Doriftoman]

Woo, another BMW guy. I really envy those Alpinas hah... They'd probably sit perfectly on mine, as they're also 5x120.

The bimmer is looking clean tho (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

BTW what's the fuel economy on that. I have M50B25 and it's like between 8 and 12... I wonder how much more economic that M50B20 is (IMG:style_emoticons/default/toung.gif)

This post has been edited by Doriftoman: Dec 27 2013, 01:01 AM

[Daniel.]

2.0l i6 150bhp (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

coool bro, I love the older i6 noises

[W. Lundberg]

yes it is a coupe. but you shall sdo this and be happy. The only thing i shall let you skip is the ls swap. got it? good.

(IMG:http://bigcountrylabs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/1186264_534416003274364_1790942769_n.jpg)

Yeah that looked quite cool but expensive (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) Plus I don't want to sit that low (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) But thanks for the inspiration.

Woo, another BMW guy. I really envy those Alpinas hah... They'd probably sit perfectly on mine, as they're also 5x120.

The bimmer is looking clean tho (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

BTW what's the fuel economy on that. I have M50B25 and it's like between 8 and 12... I wonder how much more economic that M50B20 is (IMG:style_emoticons/default/toung.gif)

Thanks (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile2.gif)
Yeah Alpinas look good on all Bemmers (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile2.gif) The fuel economy is around 0.85L/10km (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

coool bro, I love the older i6 noises

The sound is okay, I'll change the rear muffler and maybe remove the middle muffler for more aggressive sound (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile2.gif) And no, the 150hp is NOT cool, okay? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/toothygrin.gif)

[Myca]

The sound is okay, I'll change the rear muffler and maybe remove the middle muffler for more aggressive sound (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile2.gif) And no, the 150hp is NOT cool, okay? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/toothygrin.gif)

VANOS just kicked in yo! Or not? Weight reduction would help if 150hp is not enough for you.

[W. Lundberg]

Yeah single Vanos (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile2.gif) I don't want to remove rear seats, carpets etc. I want it to be a fully normal car except for the ''stance''. When I moved the car an hour ago i noticed that the front wheels roll against the inner wheel wells (IMG:style_emoticons/default/toothygrin.gif) Me so happy! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/toothygrin.gif)

[Brandon]

What about racelands?

[W. Lundberg]

Racelands?

[Doriftoman]

Yeah Alpinas look good on all Bemmers (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile2.gif) The fuel economy is around 0.85L/10km (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

The sound is okay, I'll change the rear muffler and maybe remove the middle muffler for more aggressive sound (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile2.gif) And no, the 150hp is NOT cool, okay? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/toothygrin.gif)

Ahh so it's basically 8,5 to 100km, so not so big difference... Therefore get m50b25... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/toothygrin.gif)

But yeah, the sound on that is soo sweet when it gets past 4000 rpm. I remember when I took my car to the racetrack, I used to delay braking at the main straight just because I could hear the engine revs longer (IMG:style_emoticons/default/toothygrin.gif)

[uiui]

Car looks very nice its better one than ours lol

[W. Lundberg]

Sorry for being inactive, I'm in France at the moment on holidays.
I'll be home at 5th Jan and will buy white indicators for front and sides (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile2.gif)

[Henrique.]

If you're putting white indicators on front you must get rid of the amber on the rear too. Which I think it's a mistake, looks damn good like that

[W. Lundberg]

I think that the orange lights look alright but the white will give the car a much newer look, almost a tiny facelift. I've found very cheap indicators for front and sides and will try those first. If it looks good I'll go for some other tail lights.

(IMG:http://www.hova.com/20.0.0.2/22886/cache/22886_5ef0b4c8fa930969ae3f561f7951334e.jpg)

(IMG:http://www.hova.com/20.0.0.2/22906/cache/22906_7496b01871b875c9753bce811a688052.jpg)

(IMG:http://www.hova.com/20.0.0.2/22893/cache/22893_5e0bedc5cd53f0408e53f5d8e5d155bb.jpg)

[Noodles]

And then boso pipes

[W. Lundberg]

Naah I'm thinking of this muffler later on (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
(IMG:http://shop.klracing.se/bilder/artiklar/zoom/03791_1.jpg)

[Kubason]

nooo, don't put this muffler on it, it's ugly (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
besides, every second E36 owner has it

This post has been edited by Kubason: Jan 5 2014, 01:58 PM

[Sir KV]

just get an M exhaust
(IMG:http://www.uucmotorwerks.com/RSC36/tips2.JPG)

[W. Lundberg]

Well I'm low on cash and this muffler looks nice. Plus it's cheap.

(IMG:http://shop.klracing.se/bilder/artiklar/zoom/03773_1.jpg)
How's this?

[Kubason]

yeah, that one looks good
also, if you are low on cash, don't rush on buying a muffler, it's better to wait until you can afford some of better quality

This post has been edited by Kubason: Jan 5 2014, 04:27 PM

[Sir KV]

yeah that is better, upswept exhausts look retarded anyway

[W. Lundberg]

I agree Kubason (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
I wont buy the muffler now but I will later, even if it isn't the best quality.
However, I just ordered the front and side indicators (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile2.gif)

[W. Lundberg]

Double post FTW!

These:
(IMG:http://media.baunsal-tuning.de/images/10000081-1.jpg)

Or these:
(IMG:http://www.hova.com/20.0.0.2/22893/cache/22893_5e0bedc5cd53f0408e53f5d8e5d155bb.jpg)

I think I'm going for the black tinted instead of white. Why? It's a dark color car and I'm going to spray the grill black.

[Daniel.]

yeah go for the dark ones

[Henrique.]

buy some with less "altezza" look on it. I mean, without the smooth lens. Those are really riced up

more like this
(IMG:http://www.tunersdepot.com/Images/KS-Euro-Tail-Lights-Smoke-92-98-BMW-M3-E36-4dr.-Incl.-Convertible-42-104-KS_B39298TLR4DSM_m.jpg)

less like this
(IMG:http://www.tunersdepot.com/Images/KS-LED-Tail-Lights-Red-Smoke-92-99-BMW-M3-E36-Convertible-42-103-KS_B39298TLED2DRS_m.jpg)

This post has been edited by Henrique.: Jan 6 2014, 09:22 PM

[W. Lundberg]

I don't like the stock look :/ Looks dirty :/
And the second ones you linked are much uglier than the ones I want (IMG:style_emoticons/default/toothygrin.gif)

[Kubason]

well then try to find some dark front and side indicators as well, so they match together

[W. Lundberg]

Yeah I was also thinking that (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
But since normal white ones were MUCH cheaper I'm going for smoke film (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Henrique.]

You gonna ruin the car with those smoke whatever stuff (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

[W. Lundberg]

It's just a film which is removable later on if I don't like it

(IMG:http://i00.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/586079000/Car-headlight-covers-headlight-font-b-protectors-b-font-tinting-headlights-lamp-font-b-film-b.jpg)

This post has been edited by W. Lundberg: Jan 7 2014, 11:09 AM

[W. Lundberg]

God I love Ebay. Found really nice headlights (angel eyes) incl. indicators + really nice taillights in Sweden, $430. Found the exact same stuff (same brands and everything) on Ebay.de for $231... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)

[Sir KV]

awesome doe, a find like that is cool, now lets hope the actually work (IMG:style_emoticons/default/xd.gif)

[W. Lundberg]

The lights are brand new from good german shops (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile2.gif) So yes, they should work. I read a review on one of the shops (http://www.ad-tuning.de) and everyone said that it was great service, a lot of products (which is very true), everything was working and it was good quality.
Unfortunately I wont buy these now. I have to wait a little because of the money -.-
But my birthday is soon (March 16th), so I'll hopefully get the lights then (IMG:style_emoticons/default/toothygrin.gif)

[W. Lundberg]

Got my clear indicators yesterday and started installing them today, but of course the rain stopped me from installing the front indicators. But the side indicators is installed and works properly. No, we don't have a garage big enough to even open the doors inside of it, if it isn't a Mini (IMG:style_emoticons/default/toung.gif)
Aaaaand because of the rain there's no pics...

[W. Lundberg]

Went out today and started the change of indicators. First indicator (left) went superb. Took of the indicator house very easy, took off the lamp, tried to install the new orange lamp which of course didn't fit... The guy at my local car store said that it would fit, but nope. Installed the original clear lamp and the new clear house for now. White indicators FTW!
When I took of the house and started installing the white house the lamp wont fit because of burrs in the plastic. Now walk into the workshop (like ''What up?! I got a big c**k!''), start the dremel, perfect. Starting to install the house but of course, it doesn't snap to place. It doesn't fit to 100% either, but what the hell, it's China s**t -.-

Plus in the future I'm going to buy the angeleyes I talked about in some of the posts before.

[Noodles]

dont rice it out too much lol

[Sir Cub]

I have a suggestion, I like my cars how I like them, no person can tell me other wise, if you like the modifications you're going to make to your car then be happy, it's your car build it how you want to build it. If it makes you happy, then do what you'd like. You can put it on 28" billet wheels, I might not like it but if you're happy, then that's all that matters (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile2.gif)

[W. Lundberg]

Thanks Cub (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile2.gif)

[Daniel.]

+1 Cub

[Noodles]

ok dont dont rice it out




or dont dont dont rice it out

[W. Lundberg]

I'm not going to rice it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/toung.gif) I'm just giving it a more modern look with angeleyes etc. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile2.gif)

[W. Lundberg]

Sorry for being so inactive with my project, but when you're a student without job this is the result

I've cleaned the engine bay, again. Much better this time. I've also removed the ugly, dirty and scabby bonnet mat (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile2.gif)

(IMG:http://i.imgur.com/sa0lrCR.jpg)

I turn 18 in 16 days and I'm hoping to get some cheap ass coils or new lights around the car. When I get my driving license I'll get a job and therefor more updates (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile2.gif)

[Noodles]

cleeaaaaaan as fuuuuck

[W. Lundberg]

How it's supposed to be (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[W. Lundberg]

Checked my front brakes today (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile2.gif)
Not done that much, just checked how the brake disks and brake pads are feeling (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile2.gif)
Btw, the disks are rusty because I don't drive the car atm, no driving license = no driving (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

(IMG:http://i.imgur.com/EuvyQJe.jpg)
Brushed the wheelhub

(IMG:http://i.imgur.com/XjEyJuu.jpg)
I'm thinking of painting the calipers black or montrealblau like the car (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile2.gif)

(IMG:http://i.imgur.com/DHZWTha.jpg)
The bolts to the calipers, before after

(IMG:http://i.imgur.com/glYd1CN.jpg)
Greased the bolts

(IMG:http://i.imgur.com/I7rNjNi.jpg)
Greased the whatever it's called in english, the brake pads should slide smooth now (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile2.gif)

I've got the final writing and driving test on the 18th, I hope I'll get my license (IMG:style_emoticons/default/toothygrin.gif)

[Myca]

You should sometimes drive it at least at your backyard.

[Andrew.]

jesus all dat rust

[W. Lundberg]

Myca:
Well I do sometimes, not that often tho (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

BTD:
It has done 186400 miles, ofc there's some (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

This post has been edited by W. Lundberg: Mar 7 2014, 07:03 PM

[Andrew.]

yeah thats the downside of living in snowy weather

[W. Lundberg]

Yeah, well the problem isn't the snow, it's the salt on the roads when it's snow and ice on them :/ Wouldn't be a problem if they removed the salt :/

[W. Lundberg]

Fast Update

Ordered new number plates two days ago and they found their new home today, best and cheapest facelift you can buy (IMG:style_emoticons/default/toothygrin.gif)
(IMG:http://i.imgur.com/BVShwON.jpg)

[uiui]

That euro stars must be rich (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile2.gif) congrats on purchasing plates (IMG:style_emoticons/default/toothygrin.gif)

[W. Lundberg]

Yeah I guess you saw on the first post how the old ones looked, weeeeell it's better now (IMG:style_emoticons/default/toothygrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/toothygrin.gif)

[W. Lundberg]

I took off the rear muffler today and is super happy with the new exhaust sound (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile2.gif) Crappy video but I'll upload something better later on (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
>> Video <<
Jump to 1:00 to hear the Vanos (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile2.gif)

This post has been edited by W. Lundberg: Mar 15 2014, 06:35 PM

[uiui]

Wow it's sound cool (IMG:style_emoticons/default/toothygrin.gif) now do some burnout vid lol (IMG:style_emoticons/default/toung.gif)

[W. Lundberg]

Haha not with an open diff (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
But I'll make some more vids with warm engine so I can rev some more (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile2.gif) And not where the max speed is 30kmh (IMG:style_emoticons/default/toothygrin.gif)

[N_777]

Damn that sounds awesome, great car!

[W. Lundberg]

Thanks mate (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile2.gif)

[W. Lundberg]

Yes, today is my day. 18 years of pure awesomeness! Update on what I got when I woke up this morning! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/toothygrin.gif)
(IMG:http://i.imgur.com/QIDiacc.jpg)

And yes, I'm happy! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/toothygrin.gif)

This post has been edited by W. Lundberg: Mar 16 2014, 09:18 AM

[Myca]

Happy birthday bud! Nice birthday gift you've got. Congrats.

[Daniel.]

Happy birthday dude! Enjoy the gift (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile2.gif) ))

[JoviBlue]

Shiny :3

[W. Lundberg]

Thanks guys, I'll enjoy the gift everyday (IMG:style_emoticons/default/toothygrin.gif)

[uiui]

All day every day mate (IMG:style_emoticons/default/toothygrin.gif) Congrats on your bday gift enjoy it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile2.gif)

[W. Lundberg]

Oh yes, I'll try mount the front ones tomorrow : )

[Azusa]

Happy birthday, nice car

[W. Lundberg]

Thanks mate (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Thor]

(IMG:http://i.imgur.com/I7rNjNi.jpg)
Greased the whatever it's called in english, the brake pads should slide smooth now (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile2.gif)

Yeh, but you forgot to clean them, with rust like that brake dust and other gunk can get dug down in the uneven surface that the rust creates and might increase the chance to having dragging brakes.

This post has been edited by Thor: Mar 16 2014, 05:11 PM