My friend has a vega.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5P6zVSD8O4

the Renault based AMCs could probably be considered.

Oh it was too, meh, they both have cool shape

250hp isn't too bad for a completely stock 2700lb car in the 90's. Buy an aftermarket supercharger and you're looking at a pretty fast street car.



For drag racing, automatic transmissions are actually preferred. My camaro has a 3 speed automatic and it lights the tires up no problem.

Moving into the top 10...
10. Pontiac Aztek
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The Pontiac Aztek was launched in 2001 with the tagline "Quite possibly the most versatile vehicle on the planet." Too bad, because most of the world population thought it was the ugliest vehicle on the planet. The 1999 Pontiac Aztek was acceptable by most standards-it wasn't pretty by any means, but hey, it looked rugged and tough. Unfortunately GM chose its minivan platform for the Aztek, which gave the car weird proportions. Then designers fiddled, played, and cost-shaved the design until the rugged concept was turned into a laughing stock of epic proportions. The Aztek created more ridicule for GM and Pontiac at a time when GM was already a laughing stock worldwide, and sales were way below expectations-GM had high expectations to sell 70,000 cars a year, but only 27,000 moved out the door every year. Too bad really-under that ugly shell was a pretty competent crossover, and people that bought it loved it-but the looks kept most customers out of showrooms.
9. Ford Mustang II
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The first Mustang was a American legend-it was fast, it was hot, and it handled well (well, for American cars of its time.) So, in reaction to the oil crisis, Ford gave us the "wonderful" (chuckle) Mustang II. Apparently Ford decided to slap a new body on a Pinto platform was a great idea. Engine choices began with a 88hp inline-4 to the Cologne V6, which made 105hp. Ford gave us a V8 in 1975, which made 122hp...impressive, isn't it (insert sarcasm here.) This rolling turd was powerless, ugly, and poorly built-the structure of the car was ludicrously fragile and fell apart when the car approached anything near speed-but no worries really, unless 25mph is "fast" for you. Those really were sad, sad times.
8. Chevy Citation
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The FWD X-Body cars (Chevy Citation, Buick Skylark, Oldsmobile Omega and Pontiac Phoenix) were launched in April of 1979, replacing GM's old RWD compacts (Chevy Nova anyone?) and promised a revolution in GM's lineup. Yeah, it was revolutionary all right, when you consider that GM's whole lineup was complete s**t back then. The car suffered horrible torque steer due to its FWD design-in fact, press cars were modified from stock to hide that fact. The rear wheels locked after braking, and the car had classic 70's build quality-in other words, if the car fell apart after you drove it off the lot, don't be surprised. A press car was badged as both a "Super Sedan" and a "Super Coupe"-seriously, do GM factory workers ever inspect the cars before they come off the line? The Citation was also probably the car with the most recalls ever, some even issued after the car was completely forgotten. But buyers saw none of that coming-GM moved a few million of these pieces of crap out the door.
7. Caddy Cimarron
(IMG:http://www.usaraud.ee/ajuvant/cadillac/1984_cimarron.jpg)
There's nothing wrong with a smaller, sportier Caddy-in fact, I would say Cadillac needed a smaller and sportier model back then. Not much wrong with badge engineering either, as long as it's done right. Like, uh, actually trying to make a luxury car. The Cimarron wasn't a smaller and sportier Caddy, it was a super-overpriced Chevy Cavalier with Caddy badges and some leather. Heck, for the most part you won't be able to tell the difference. The Cimarron had the same 88hp I4 that the Cavalier had mated to a 4-speed manual or a 3-speed automatic with a slightly modded interior. The whole thing cost $13,500 (if you need an idea, the Cavalier was $4,500.) Fortunately, this rolling embarrassment to Caddy owners was succeeded by the Catera (umm, Opel Omega to you Europeans), which wasn't a good car by any means, but still a lot better than the Cimarron. The Catera was succeeded by the CTS, which was a excellent performer and proof that Cadillac finally got it right.
6. Caddy Fleetwood V-8-6-4
(IMG:http://www.popularmechanics.com/cm/popularmechanics/images/fc/caddy-v864-1108.jpg)
There's nothing wrong with shutting down cylinders to save fuel-in fact, many modern cars shut down cylinders when full power is not needed. In other words, the V-8-6-4 was a V8 on the highway, became a V6 when it reached speed and became a V4 when cruising. Sounds great, right? The problem was that the technology to do so wasn't near ready back then. The system worked by altering the rocker-arm fulcrum so that valves were kept shut by springs. Too bad the electronic system that made this work was broken most of the time, so in reality these cars spent most of their time in the shop instead of on the road. Even when the V8 was running on full power, it made a mediocre 140hp. Most customers asked the dealer to disconnect the entire system so the engine became just a regular V8. And that was the last time many of them ever entered a Caddy showroom.

This post has been edited by civicfan14: Mar 6 2011, 05:57 AM

Aztek looks like a ssangyong

Ssangyong copied it.

and you know if the Aztek was releaced today with bigger wheels "it kind of has BMW X6, Acura ZDX Honda Crosstour, Gen 2 and on Prius, etc etc" people would have loved it

You can't compare the Aztek to the X6, the X6 is way nicer.

they are both 5 door fastback crossover utility vehicles (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Next up...a diesel engine and 4 odd hatchbacks.

Not hard to figure out...

I wouldn't really call the X6 an utility vehicle, nor would I call the Aztek a fastback.

But yes, they are crossovers, true.

Ok, #4 and #5 are here, then the top 3 will be announced...

OK, whatever, just #5 because I am too lazy today.
5. Chrysler Concorde 2.7L V6
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These things were pretty mediocre really-along with lousy fit and lousy finish, these cars had some of the worst mechanical parts ever used in a Chrysler vehicle (even the K-car was better than this, and I should know-I drove both before, tho only for 5 minutes in the K-car/Caravan.) But the worst part was the engine. Sure, if you have one of those 3-liter V6s then you should be fine, but if you have the 2.7L, then good luck, because your engine is either dying or already dead due to oil sludge. Oil sludge usually only happens when you don't change your oil, but a serious design defect in the crankcase ventilation system caused complete engine failure in many Concordes and Intrepids. Better yet, leaking oil pressure sensors will just help speed up the destruction of your engine. And according to mechanics, the water pump is located under the timing chain cover and in an oil bath, pump changing requires draining of the engine oil and removal of the timing chain cover, chain, and tensioner...seriously? If you have a old Concorde/Intrepid with a dead engine, swap out the 2.7L for one of the 3 liter blocks. And if you are shopping for a good midsize used car, please, and I mean PLEASE avoid this hunk of junk and go for a Taurus, Accord, Camry or even previous gen (pre-1998) Concorde/Intrepid instead. Or if you live in the UK, a Ford Mondeo.

This post has been edited by civicfan14: Mar 8 2011, 05:51 AM

Time to bring back this thread...
4. Olds Delta Royale 88 350 Diesel
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If you want to know why diesels aren't very popular in America, well here it is! The Olds Diesel engines were some of the worst engines ever in automotive history and eventually caused the downfall of GM. Where to begin?
Well, first of all, instead of designing a new engine, GM thought it was a good idea to simply modify a gasoline engine in order to save tooling costs. GM used "torque to yield"(or "angle torque") head bolts which allowed the bolt pattern to remain the same as the gas powered counterpart with an increase in clamping load when compared to standard head bolts. Problem? The severe conditions these engines were subjected to quickly destroyed head gasket seals and in some cases, the head bolts themselves. But most of the problem could have been easily avoided by adding a simple water-separating fuel filter, which the Olds Diesel V8 lacked. Water causes rust in the fuel system, which damage the precision parts in diesel fuel injection pumps and high pressure diesel injectors causing erratic operation. The consumers still get some blame tho; adding alcohol to combat water accelerated wear of the governor flex ring in the injection pumps, which caused erratic ignition timing. The dealerships also usually had no experience with diesel engines, which combined with poor design and consumer ignorance, destroyed the reputation of diesels in the US.

is #1 the Geo Metro?

No, since the Metro is really Japanese...think earlier 70's stuff.

God, I need to update this soon...

u srs civicfan?? that olds delta is sexy!

didja notice most are GM vehicles

p.s. it looks like a mopar
(IMG:http://www.pdfun.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/2002-Pontiac-Aztek-Service-Manual-560x420.jpg)

It was the same chassis (IMG:style_emoticons/default/toung.gif) It's just amazing that it was replaced in 1988 in europe but only replaced in like 2005 in america (IMG:style_emoticons/default/xd.gif)

3. AMC Gremlin
(IMG:http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/1970-1978-amc-gremlin-5.jpg)
Richard Teague designed the AMC AMX, one of the coolest muscle cars ever. He also designed the Gremlin, one of the...I don't know what it is. AMC was in poor financial shape and they wanted to beat Ford and GM to the subcompact punch. The result was a poorly chopped AMC Hornet on steroids with awkward proportions. Everything on this car was cheap, from the poor suspension to the vacuum-operated windshield wipers. The car didn't handle well at all, with a giant heavy straight 6 in the front and loss of suspension travel in the back. And the little subcompact guzzled the same amount of fuel required to run a full-size car. The filp-up back window broke in your hands, and the engine was choked by emissions equipment. At least it didn't rust on the assembly line like a Vega or burst into flames like a Pinto. But at least GM and Ford had backup cars in their lineup.

This post has been edited by civicfan14: Apr 12 2011, 01:05 AM

EAT IT!
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dude everyone loves an AMC weither it had problems or not

This post has been edited by Dj-san: Apr 11 2011, 08:34 PM